Tracked skid steers, Cat vs. Bobcat

[Avery]

I have demo'd a Bobcat and messed around at the dealer on a Cat. Night and day difference to me. Cat wins hands down. But I am no expert on skidsteers and wonder if I am missing something. Whatever machine I buy it must be productive and make a profit. From the smallest handtools to dumptrucks and tractors. I do not care what it costs to buy. Only that it will turn a profit once we get it. So those of you that have either one or have tried both what are you opinions on Bobcat and Caterpilliar? IMO the Bobcat is so far behind the Cat that I feel I must be missing something. And you cannot trust salesmen to give you an honest opinion. Too biased towards their brand. I wanna hear from people that have used them in the field.

[Matty Mallard]

I have demo'd a Bobcat and messed around at the dealer on a Cat. Night and day difference to me. Cat wins hands down. But I am no expert on skidsteers and wonder if I am missing something. Whatever machine I buy it must be productive and make a profit. From the smallest handtools to dumptrucks and tractors. I do not care what it costs to buy. Only that it will turn a profit once we get it. So those of you that have either one or have tried both what are you opinions on Bobcat and Caterpilliar? IMO the Bobcat is so far behind the Cat that I feel I must be missing something. And you cannot trust salesmen to give you an honest opinion. Too biased towards their brand. I wanna hear from people that have used them in the field.
I have a few buddies in the paving business and all they buy is cat, another Lco next to us only buys Cat and from my personal experience I like the Cat. Our bobcat has nothing on a Cat. Controls, engine performance, maintenance, productivity.

[Advanced Lawncare]

My use of bobcats are limited, but i was not impressed with them. I bought a Case, but would not hesitate on a Cat. IMO Bobcats just dont hold up as well as some of the other brands out there. As for dealers there is no way I would spend 20 some thousand dollars with a dealer that has already proved themselves to be unreliable.

Ted

[NCSULandscaper]

no, imo i think the CAT outperforms anything on the market..........ive ran them all and demoed them all before i bought mine and CAT won hands down........i would definantly go with the CAT if i were you.

[Dusty]

i have spent many hrs in a bobcat and newhollands i like the newholland way better i have not gotten to run a cat
my local rental yard loves bobcat and they have 2 of the tracked machines i got to use 1 to move snow in a parking lot and it would not push to save its life it would just spin on the blacktop and no there was no ice in that area i looked.
now it was only 8 degrees out side so the tracks were real cold but would that affect the gripping power?

[Matty Mallard]

i have spent many hrs in a bobcat and newhollands i like the newholland way better i have not gotten to run a cat
my local rental yard loves bobcat and they have 2 of the tracked machines i got to use 1 to move snow in a parking lot and it would not push to save its life it would just spin on the blacktop and no there was no ice in that area i looked.
now it was only 8 degrees out side so the tracks were real cold but would that affect the gripping power?
Shouldnt use a track steer on asphalt, wear them out fast, 2000 bucks a side too, there carbon kevlar.

[Dusty]

right duck quack quack

[Matty Mallard]

right duck quack quack
you'll wear tires out fast using them on asphalt too.

[Avery]

Thanks for the input guys. If it is equipment I am familiar with like mowers/tractors/trucks/etc. then I would feel comfortable. But 40K is a lot of coin to lay out for something only to find it does not work for you. In my area 90% of skidsteers are Bobcat. Makes me think everyone knows something I do not. Hell I paid over $800 rental on this machine for a week. Gave it every opportunity to prove itself. Every day I had it I hated it more. Five minutes on the Cat was all it took to sell me. Cat offered to let me demo a machine for free. All I gotta do is work out the dealership issue and I will be 100% satisfied with Cat.

[NCSULandscaper]

if you are worried about the cost becaus eyou are afraid it will not work out for you, why not talk to your CAT dealer or Gregory Poole about a used one

[Avery]

We lease all of our equipment. Better for taxes. Lease will not work on a used machine. I am not afraid to spend money. Far from it. I just hate to pay for stuff that will not in turn pay for itself.

[Lawngodfather]

all the machines are personal prefference.

You rookies in a cat I will out perform in my new holland or Bobcat. I can run them blindfolded.

Put me in a cat and I will be slow.

Now I found out why Avery did not like skid steers, no foot-hand coordination

Also I do not like hand controls. Pilot controls like the CAT are good, just can't stand a steering lever for left wheel also makes the bucket tilt.

[Avery]

Yea I really hate using my feet to operate a bucket. Just not a normal funtion for me. Also on something like a track machine that is pitching over every little rut on the ground I want to use my feet to brace. Not operate an implement. Why would I want to use both hands and both feet when there is a machine that allows the same work with just my hands? Also hate having to use both hands to steer the machine. Where I am it is hot and humid and lots of flying pests. I like to be able to wipe a little sweat out of my eye, swat a bug, or take a drink of water without having to stop the machine.

And you rookies on a tractor....I will outwork you with one of my JD's. LOL

[Matty Mallard]

all the machines are personal prefference.

You rookies in a cat I will out perform in my new holland or Bobcat. I can run them blindfolded.

Put me in a cat and I will be slow.

Now I found out why Avery did not like skid steers, no foot-hand coordination

Also I do not like hand controls. Pilot controls like the CAT are good, just can't stand a steering lever for left wheel also makes the bucket tilt.
Mike 8 hours in my bobcat you'll be dead using both hands and feet, 8 hours on the rc-30 cat I use full hand I feel good.

[NCSULandscaper]

screw the foot controls, they are the spawn of the devil

[DesignerLand]

Just curious? I run Bobcat. Have run many other machines and could not stand operating them. I like to use my feet to operate the bucket. Nothing less complicated than simple lever hydraulics to lift, lower, tilt and dump. I use my hands to steer and a trigger for aux. Also what size machines are we comparing. I have a mid size. 773 turbo with 56 hp. I can lift palllets of sod and stone. I can also flip one over and My feet are not in the way. I have NEVER had my machine in the shop or dealership since I bought it. And how many other machines(because i don't know) can load a tandem dump with ease.

[Avery]

The Cat I am looking at (257B) is rated at 57 hp. 50% of tipping load is 2310 lbs so pallets of sod and stone should not be a problem. It also uses simple lever hydraulics. One for steering and one for the bucket or other attachments. Major difference is you do not need to use both hands and both feet to run the machine. Just seems like a more efficient set up to me. I started this thread because I am honestly curious why someone would prefer a machine that takes both hands to steer and both feet to operate a bucket. Service,price, size are not the main concerns. Machine design is. Once I decide which brand has the best design I will choose the size that is right for what I need it to do.

What did you not like about the other machines? What brand where they? Did they have one stick for steering and one for the bucket or some other design? Why do you feel having to use both feet and both hands is less comlicated than just using your hands?

[Matty Mallard]

The Cat I am looking at (257B) is rated at 57 hp. 50% of tipping load is 2310 lbs so pallets of sod and stone should not be a problem. It also uses simple lever hydraulics. One for steering and one for the bucket or other attachments. Major difference is you do not need to use both hands and both feet to run the machine. Just seems like a more efficient set up to me. I started this thread because I am honestly curious why someone would prefer a machine that takes both hands to steer and both feet to operate a bucket. Service,price, size are not the main concerns. Machine design is. Once I decide which brand has the best design I will choose the size that is right for what I need it to do.

What did you not like about the other machines? What brand where they? Did they have one stick for steering and one for the bucket or some other design? Why do you feel having to use both feet and both hands is less comlicated than just using your hands?

Everyone has different styles, thing about hand and foot controls I feel like I am moving the machine so much quicker.

[shiveslandscaping]

Bobcat wins hands down. They invented the skid steer. Their easy to do maintenance on with how their engine sits. Also you can get a Bobcat with either foot or hand controls or both actually where you just flip a button for how you want ot run it. I worked for a company that had a cat and it stayed in the shop more than it was on a jobsite.

[Timberman]

I bought a bobcat S150 this past spring, and I've put about 170 hours on it so far. It has the option where you can use sticks and pedals or just sticks. I tried to use just the hand controls, but it just doesn't seem to make sense to me. I leave it on foot controls now, and it quickly becomes instinctive. Your hands automatically steer the machine around, doesn't take any thought, and run the bucket with the pedals. You can pick your feet up and put them on the foot rest right behind the pedals if you don't want to bump anything, like when you're carrying a full bucket across the site. Makes way more sense to me than a lot of functions simultaneously with your hands.

[Avery]

Bobcat wins hands down. They invented the skid steer. Their easy to do maintenance on with how their engine sits. Also you can get a Bobcat with either foot or hand controls or both actually where you just flip a button for how you want ot run it. I worked for a company that had a cat and it stayed in the shop more than it was on a jobsite.
Actually Takeuchi had a skid steer before Bobcat from what I have read/heard. And the Cat is much easier to work on. Fan lifts up out of the way and the cab tilts. Even with the hand control option you mention you still have to use two hands to control foward movement and two hands to control the bucket. Using one for direction control and one for the bucket makes much more sense.

[Matty Mallard]

Bobcat wins hands down. They invented the skid steer. Their easy to do maintenance on with how their engine sits. Also you can get a Bobcat with either foot or hand controls or both actually where you just flip a button for how you want ot run it. I worked for a company that had a cat and it stayed in the shop more than it was on a jobsite.
The new hollands have the full hand controls or the hand/foot controls. they make a ncie skid steer too, our bobcat we have is okay but Cat in general as a name is the best in the business but for what the bobcats cost over caterpiller there okay.

[all ferris]

I really think it has alot to do with what other things you do besides drive a skidsteer. I do lots of mowing on ztr's so "yank um" sticks on my t200 bobcat seem natural. I also think the hand steer with foot controls is easy to learn for first timers.

[bstonsox90]

I have never used a Bobcat, but a construction company that my father does alot of business with lent me there aCAT 256 for a week for a job and I loved it, the bucket seemed so natural never any power issues.

[jazak]

CAT pilot controls better service what more could you want??:l)

I'll be running a CAT 257B early next month so I'll post some pics and what I thought of it. Just don't run them on asphalt or other hard surfaces or your track are gone and they aren't cheap either. Thtas why you want a tracked machine and a skid steer.

[cat]

i would look in on a john deere skid steer the new 300 series are really something i have one and love it

[JDSkidsteer]

Deere 300 series are awsome and have a lot of power, but joysticks on cat have less fatuige at the end of the day and if operator likes them may be more productive because of that. Rumor has it Deere may offer joystick options next year or two. They will then offer the best of both worlds I hope.

[dirtmandan2]

ive been running skid steers nearly daily for 14 years now. 90% has been in a bobcat. my opinion is bobcat is the best, but thats just cuz thats what ive always ran. personally i think under the 70ish hp is underpowered. hand vs. foot controls is completely what your used to, i prefer foot controls seems more natural to me. i would go with the dealer that treats you better and stick with them.

[KTS]

CAT all the way..I've used Case, & Bobcat also but NOTHING beats CATs pilot controls...plus I like the colors better :?)

[4theroc]

One big misconception I see is everybody wants to run out and drop $50g's on new equipment. Go to the auction and get a late model used skid steer and keep $30 grand in your pocket. Use your head people

[Tim Krause]

I've rented a few skid steers and like the pilot controls much better . the 80 hp jcb was junk, the 50 hp thomas was junk the 50 hp case was pretty good but the 96 hp mustang was in a class of it's own. seemed like a much more sturdy machine. I'll be buying a track machine soon to load logs and firewood. looking at the rc 100 or the cat 287.

[DIYDAVE]

I'm not going to comment on anything but my experience. I have an ASV RC30 that now has 1000 hours on it. It has been one tough little machine. Tracks still look like new, tracs are warranteed for 2k hours, cost about $3k/set. The only problems I have had was a trac motor blew a seal(about $1k my cost) and a front set of bogey wheels lost its set of sealed bearings, probably caused by me hauling too much weight on a grapple bucket(my half of the bill came to $600). Oh, and there was one hydraulic hose recall, too. The dealer I use Chesapeake Equipment, was helpful, and provided a loaner at no charge while repairs(warantee) were being done. I have 12 or more attachments now, and currently am making a few more. This thing is as dependable as a swiss army knife, and fun to operate. If anybody with a similar sized skidloader wants to they can follow me and see how far they get!:bolt: :bolt:

[buster tripp]

A good question is what do the big and small rental fleets have? You will find takahuci for many reasons. They have years of experience over the others and the cost or repair is less because of their quality. Cat track parts wear out quickly and research why there are so many on e bay. Look for Takahuci and there wont be many because people keep them and they last. Do your home work on these issues!

[janders9147]

You can get the different controls with a Bobcat. Bobcat is the BEST product on the market hands down. You may have to pay a higher price up front but the quality and reliability are the best beyond any product. I know a guy who has a CAT and it is always in the shop.

CAT may have a smoother ride but that doesn't help a lot in fine grading applications when you need a stiff rigid undercarriage.

[HeyUvaVT]

www.asvi.com

We have an RC100 and we ABUSE it...we run a loftness timber ax ( www.loftness.com ) and have grapple buckets..power rakes and dozer blades oh my!

This machine is by far the toughest and most durable that I have come across...Bobcat..Deere..Gehl..Mustang..Takeuchi all have local dealers here and I have been around them all my life and havent come across a better package than the RC100

It has its faults like the cab feeling a bit cramped compared to say a gehl ( I'm 6'2 250lbs tho) Also the tracks seem to be love it/hate it with most people because they aren't available from any aftermarket company but they havent shown a sign of wear yet and we have 800 hours on ours so far with constant use in the woods and on sand and rock and even some asphalt for plowing...

Just my .02 :peace:

[masongd]

From my experience, the investment you make into a Cat is worth the money considering the resale value later... have to think about the "2nd" owner..if you resell after a certain amount of time. The Cat will sell!!

[riata_ag]

Guys,
the man (original poster) says he is going to LEASE a machine. Therefore, cost, maintenance and re-sale value are of no value to him at this point.

Sounds to me as though he likes the CAT the best. All he has to do is go lease one for a year, if he doesn't like it, go lease something different.

Of course first he says to drop $40K ona machine is alot of coin & then later the OP says they lease all of their equipment.


I own a 70 hp CAT and I like it and have no issues or repairs in 2530 hours on the machine, except tires and gerneral maintenance.

But, I would NEVER buy a CAT product new, too much "off the lot" deappreciation for me.

I too, like many, prefer to purchase nice used equipment, usually after I use it for 10 years I can sell it for what I paid for it, sometimes more.

Good Luck and hope you enjoy whatever machine to buy or lease

ra

[jazak]

Guys,
the man (original poster) says he is going to LEASE a machine. Therefore, cost, maintenance and re-sale value are of no value to him at this point.

Sounds to me as though he likes the CAT the best. All he has to do is go lease one for a year, if he doesn't like it, go lease something different.

Of course first he says to drop $40K ona machine is alot of coin & then later the OP says they lease all of their equipment.


I own a 70 hp CAT and I like it and have no issues or repairs in 2530 hours on the machine, except tires and gerneral maintenance.

But, I would NEVER buy a CAT product new, too much "off the lot" deappreciation for me.

I too, like many, prefer to purchase nice used equipment, usually after I use it for 10 years I can sell it for what I paid for it, sometimes more.

Good Luck and hope you enjoy whatever machine to buy or lease

ra

You're full of sh!t. Also there is not as much "off the lot" depreciation as you may think.

[neighborstree]

ive had a cat 277. loved it. but when the inside of the tracks would get wet or muddy the drive motor would slip off the lugs. and tightning the tracks on the cats and asv are soooo complacated compaired to bobcat that you just pump up with a greese gun

i now have a 2006 bobcat t300k. and i hate it. its under powered for a loader its size. compaired to a asv or cat., same company. hands down i would buy a asv over a bobcat an day. this last go around with 60k on this bobcat really disappointed me big time.

the bobcats forsale by the way lol. 750 hours with a 13,500 gvw dump trailer. 45,000

and its not just my machine thats underpowered, ive used other t300's and there all junk, same 81 horse kubota engine in them all. blah

[danboone]

Cat has been around a long time and has a reputation that they zealously protect and improve. I've seen Cat equipment all around the world and still going strong even if it's been thorougly abused. Bobcat seems overpriced when you consider what you are actually buying.

[digdug]

i have ben told that cat and avs loaders have the same track system if this is true go to you tube and type in skid steer and you will see them playing tug of war it is impresive what the avs dose. my vote cat.

[Matty Mallard]

i have ben told that cat and avs loaders have the same track system if this is true go to you tube and type in skid steer and you will see them playing tug of war it is impresive what the avs dose. my vote cat.
Cat runs ASV under carriages, my bobcat is the reason why I will never own another one maintenance on them is horrible, takes you atleast 11 hours to replaces belts on the engine...

[M. Lowes]

Bobcat claims there tracks will last longer, more digging power with a more rigid structure.
Cat has independent idlers and makes travel so much smoother. I liked the cat tracks because I felt safe working on steep slopes on uneven terrian. I learned on a bobcat controls and can work the foot controls with no problem.

[Matty Mallard]

Bobcat claims there tracks will last longer, more digging power with a more rigid structure.
Cat has independent idlers and makes travel so much smoother. I liked the cat tracks because I felt safe working on steep slopes on uneven terrian. I learned on a bobcat controls and can work the foot controls with no problem.
Bobcat has steel rollers and other componets while Cats use plastic rollers and every 6months to a year with general use you have to overhaul cat tracks because rocks and other debris will wear them out. This is what my friend who is a Cat salesman told me...

[jazak]

Supposedly I was told by a CAT salesman that the few problems the CAT tracked "B" series have been fixed in the new "C" series...................

[Matty Mallard]

Supposedly I was told by a CAT salesman that the few problems the CAT tracked "B" series have been fixed in the new "C" series...................
Ever look on cat tracks says ASV right on them, ASV makes most of the undercarriages you see out there...

[jazak]

Ever look on cat tracks says ASV right on them, ASV makes most of the undercarriages you see out there...

Yes, I know that they're made by ASV; Cat actually owns about 1/4 of their company worth. All I was saying was that the local CAT salesman was saying that the new "C" series adressed the issues with the "B" series and that they've been fixed. I do not know its it true though..................

I know one thing though, the "B" series tracked machines are almost worthless. You can pickup a 2005 or newer with just over 1000hr.s for under $20K. Thats a HUGE price drop on them.

[Matty Mallard]

Yes, I know that they're made by ASV; Cat actually owns about 1/4 of their company worth. All I was saying was that the local CAT salesman was saying that the new "C" series adressed the issues with the "B" series and that they've been fixed. I do not know its it true though..................

I know one thing though, the "B" series tracked machines are almost worthless. You can pickup a 2005 or newer with just over 1000hr.s for under $20K. Thats a HUGE price drop on them.
Probably is true, 257B is an awesome machine we rented one for about 2 months last summer because our wheeled skid steers just wouldn't preform for what we were doing...

[M. Lowes]

The 257B is what we are looking to buy. Hopefully we will close the deal by next month.
We really liked it. Just a few concerns on it. Some big snow plowers say that a rubber track mahine is worthless in the snow. But I would think any thing would spin to some degree on Ice.

[jazak]

The 257B is what we are looking to buy. Hopefully we will close the deal by next month.
We really liked it. Just a few concerns on it. Some big snow plowers say that a rubber track mahine is worthless in the snow. But I would think any thing would spin to some degree on Ice.

I don't know about that second to last statement. I know alot of guys who buy tracked machines just for the snow and say they work better then the wheeled and are better for stacking the piles because you can drive right up them. (If hardened enough, of course)

257B is a nice size machine.

[M. Lowes]

I don't know about that second to last statement. I know alot of guys who buy tracked machines just for the snow and say they work better then the wheeled and are better for stacking the piles because you can drive right up them. (If hardened enough, of course)

257B is a nice size machine.

I guess I will find out next year. Not a good chance to get snow next month.
We did take the 257B up our leaf pile to stir it. It climbed right up the soft pile. I was amazed it could do it. I thought it would just bottom out.

[Matty Mallard]

The 257B is what we are looking to buy. Hopefully we will close the deal by next month.
We really liked it. Just a few concerns on it. Some big snow plowers say that a rubber track mahine is worthless in the snow. But I would think any thing would spin to some degree on Ice.
I heard mixed reviews my tire ones run fine track one I used once with no problems...

[M. Lowes]

I heard mixed reviews my tire ones run fine track one I used once with no problems...
The pros and cons on the track vs tire would not amount to much as the snow never amounts to much. I can see if I was trying to move 8" with a huge blade or something.

[Matty Mallard]

The pros and cons on the track vs tire would not amount to much as the snow never amounts to much. I can see if I was trying to move 8" with a huge blade or something.
I pushed about a foot with a track steer...

[fixer]

Cat all the way everybody i know that owned a bobcat got rid of them and went to cat.

[M. Lowes]

Bobcat is the only builder I know that still uses the same old style bands to power the unit instead of direct drive.

[jazak]

Bobcat is the only builder I know that still uses the same old style bands to power the unit instead of direct drive.

They also have the crappiest controls I've used.........Bobcat fell behind when the felt they didn't have to put in all the new upgrades like CAT and Case and others have been doing............

[Matty Mallard]

Cat all the way everybody i know that owned a bobcat got rid of them and went to cat.
Thats what were doing soon enough...

[M. Lowes]

They also have the crappiest controls I've used.........Bobcat fell behind when the felt they didn't have to put in all the new upgrades like CAT and Case and others have been doing............
I grew up in the old school using bobcat because that was the only thing out there.
I learned using foot and hand controls. It now takes some fumbling to feel comfortable with all hand control.

[Matty Mallard]

I grew up in the old school using bobcat because that was the only thing out there.
I learned using foot and hand controls. It now takes some fumbling to feel comfortable with all hand control.
You can get pilot controls in bobcat now, my bobcat is foot and hand and I work faster with them...

[fixer]

The main problems with the people i know was the drive systems going out and a few hydraulic issues. They all did seem to prefer tracks to tires though they said they got a little better traction doing finish grade work, and back filling etc.

[hardscapeharry]

The bobcat machines were once the only make on the market, but since then they have really not put any money into R & D (prestreched chains?!? gimme a break). letting every other new make have a slice of their pie. Cats are decent machines, but most landscapers want to be more of the "CAT Experience," much like Harley Davidsons. Believe it or not, Komatsu make a very nice and powerful machine. They are smoothe and responsive and don't crap out when you try to perform more than two functions. Case make a nice skid loader, too. There is a company out there called Loegering that makes aftermarket track systems that bolt right onto the hubs of your existing wheeled skid loader, a really nice system. Hope that helps.

I pushed about a foot with a track steer...
Tracks are meant to float on really wet or unstable ground, they only have a footprint of about 10psi. Tires bring all the weight of the machine to four points giving it more direct traction, which would be better pushing snow.

[M. Lowes]

The bobcat machines were once the only make on the market, but since then they have really not put any money into R & D (prestreched chains?!? gimme a break). letting every other new make have a slice of their pie. Cats are decent machines, but most landscapers want to be more of the "CAT Experience," much like Harley Davidsons. Believe it or not, Komatsu make a very nice and powerful machine. They are smoothe and responsive and don't crap out when you try to perform more than two functions. Case make a nice skid loader, too. There is a company out there called Loegering that makes aftermarket track systems that bolt right onto the hubs of your existing wheeled skid loader, a really nice system. Hope that helps.


Tracks are meant to float on really wet or unstable ground, they only have a footprint of about 10psi. Tires bring all the weight of the machine to four points giving it more direct traction, which would be better pushing snow.

I do like the Case machine. It just apears they developed a tracked machine a little later than others. I have used a Mustang, Geihl tracked loaders also. I think I like the Geihl over the Bobcat.

[Matty Mallard]

I do like the Case machine. It just apears they developed a tracked machine a little later than others. I have used a Mustang, Geihl tracked loaders also. I think I like the Geihl over the Bobcat.
Gehl and Mustang are the same thing...

[M. Lowes]

Gehl and Mustang are the same thing...
I have not run a Mustang, but have used a Gehl. I know they are pretty much the same machine. I thought Teckushi and mustang were also the much the a same.
I large excavator bought tracked Mustang after he was die hard Cat user.
I asked why, and he like the lower noise from the mustang, and lower cost.

[Matty Mallard]

If your gonna buy wheeleed new hollands the way to go the ground pressure and balance they have no bounce to them...

[M. Lowes]

We are pretty much set on a tracked machine. I would be happy with a half dozen if the price was right.

I found this one.
Never heard of such a thing.
http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-SUPER-MONKEY-SKID-STEER-LOADER-50-HP-W-WARRANTY_W0QQitemZ260222310710QQihZ016QQcategoryZ95494QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[victor928]

Hello ! I need the help of anyone who can tell me how to find Inspector for Skid Steers.I need to buy Skid steer BobCat and CAT from Texas ,But I can't go there.Is there a company who can inspect the machines for me?? my e mail is vt928@abv.bg

Thanks a lot in advace !!!

[mdterp]

stay away from the cat MTL the udercarrige will not hold up to any harsh conditions, rock logs etc., they are also more expensive to maintain. the Bobcat undercarrige will hold up 10 times longer. also look a a Tak.- mustag- gehl (all the same) up here its either Bobcat or tak. "Cat guys" are even getting rid of the Cat. MTLs and the skids have high operating/maintence costs

[Matty Mallard]

stay away from the cat MTL the udercarrige will not hold up to any harsh conditions, rock logs etc., they are also more expensive to maintain. the Bobcat undercarrige will hold up 10 times longer. also look a a Tak.- mustag- gehl (all the same) up here its either Bobcat or tak. "Cat guys" are even getting rid of the Cat. MTLs and the skids have high operating/maintence costs
The Takeuchi's, Mustangs, and Gehl are real common up here the cats are nice to operate and run great but like you said they use rubber components in there under carriages(ASV) that wear out faster then other brands...